tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21995284.post116049074171561196..comments2023-10-25T12:49:50.074+01:00Comments on The Old Socialist Unity Blog - we have moved: More on those Sheridan tapesANhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05901425044840795347noreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21995284.post-1160640566992720762006-10-12T09:09:00.000+01:002006-10-12T09:09:00.000+01:00If I can find his addressIf I can find his addressANhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05901425044840795347noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21995284.post-1160640127938410602006-10-12T09:02:00.000+01:002006-10-12T09:02:00.000+01:00Good idea matthew - I'll write to himGood idea matthew - I'll write to himANhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05901425044840795347noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21995284.post-1160608357686329522006-10-12T00:12:00.000+01:002006-10-12T00:12:00.000+01:00And offer the guy the chance to respond with a blo...And offer the guy the chance to respond with a blog or an article on the site!badmatthewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16655688008055817617noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21995284.post-1160563417997924242006-10-11T11:43:00.000+01:002006-10-11T11:43:00.000+01:00That bis the one - thanks Ed, I have put a link in...That bis the one - thanks Ed, I have put a link in the main post now.ANhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05901425044840795347noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21995284.post-1160561928957186802006-10-11T11:18:00.000+01:002006-10-11T11:18:00.000+01:00The caption says: "I'm going to do to the SSP what...The caption says: "I'm going to do to the SSP what Julian Clarey did to Norman Lamont"ANhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05901425044840795347noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21995284.post-1160561547298337622006-10-11T11:12:00.000+01:002006-10-11T11:12:00.000+01:00That is a scary pic of the perma-tanned one.....!That is a scary pic of the perma-tanned one.....!Louisefeministahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08279991897445225597noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21995284.post-1160559394589768642006-10-11T10:36:00.000+01:002006-10-11T10:36:00.000+01:00NoelYou don't seem to have thought before writing....Noel<BR/><BR/>You don't seem to have thought before writing.<BR/><BR/>Sheridan can do whatever he wants within the limits of his own conscience. <BR/><BR/>Are you really telling me that relentless article about sexual revelations are not politically damaging? - get real, that is the world we live in, and that is the world we are trying to change.<BR/><BR/>And you say the NOTW would make it up anyway even if it didn't happen. My question to you is simple - do you beleive Katrine or not? If not what do you think was her possible motive for lying?ANhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05901425044840795347noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21995284.post-1160559116538300832006-10-11T10:31:00.000+01:002006-10-11T10:31:00.000+01:00AnonymousDon't confuse it even more that is a diff...Anonymous<BR/><BR/>Don't confuse it even more that is a different article by Jo on the same issue.<BR/><BR/>If anyone wnats the article by Jo that i am referring to in this post then e-mail me and I will send it to you.ANhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05901425044840795347noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21995284.post-1160558413361361132006-10-11T10:20:00.000+01:002006-10-11T10:20:00.000+01:00Joaquin Bustello's article is at http://archives.e...Joaquin Bustello's article is at http://archives.econ.utah.edu/archives/marxism/2006w35/msg00251.htmAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21995284.post-1160555816170454202006-10-11T09:36:00.000+01:002006-10-11T09:36:00.000+01:00Darren: Certainly, the way Sheridan treated Katrin...Darren: Certainly, the way Sheridan treated Katrine T. was appalling.<BR/><BR/>Yeah, well, doncha just lurve that game... "Follow the line"? <BR/>Personally, independent thinking rocks... :)<BR/><BR/>Btw: if the "p" for puritan word is gonna be used then surely Class Fighter Sheridan was puritanical with his honesty? <BR/><BR/>Would it have really been a vote loser if Sheridan was honest about his life? I mean, do people really care what someone gets up to in their private life.Louisefeministahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08279991897445225597noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21995284.post-1160554327975016272006-10-11T09:12:00.000+01:002006-10-11T09:12:00.000+01:00Louise,Noel bangs on about 'puritans' 'cos that's ...Louise,<BR/><BR/>Noel bangs on about 'puritans' 'cos that's what Galloway says. It's the official script, donchaknow?<BR/><BR/>And thanks for bringing up the matter of the women witnesses. More than anything else, Sheridan's treatment of Katrine Trolle is the sticking point for me.<BR/><BR/>The studied silence and/or casual indifference of the Tommy fanclub to this matter means that they have bugger all rights coming across with their people of principle bullshit.<BR/><BR/>AN,<BR/>nice post, btw.Imposs1904https://www.blogger.com/profile/04043116442576404667noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21995284.post-1160548555501057822006-10-11T07:35:00.000+01:002006-10-11T07:35:00.000+01:00Actually Noel, I don't think anyone is saying that...Actually Noel, I don't think anyone is saying that Tommy S's sex life isn't his own (though maybe SUN should produce a spoof sex guide.... or maybe Stroppyblog should for a lark).<BR/><BR/>What is being said is that he dragged the SSP into the mire. Like Anonymous states, Sheridan was desperate to defend himself a "family man". Why the need? <BR/><BR/>Surely, as a socialist, he should have the courage of his political convictions and told the NOTW to get stuffed and say whatever I do is my own business (I for one would have had more respect for the guy)but instead chose to defend a bourgeois ideal. And indeed, expecting people to perjure themselves based on defending that image is utter political suicide.<BR/><BR/>And Noel, what about the why Sheridan "interrogated" women witnesses? That smacked of sexist double-standards and macho bollocks.<BR/><BR/>And also, what is this obsession with "puritans"? <BR/><BR/>And as Anonymous says, the court action was reckless. Cos at the end of the day, who is losing out on this? To reiterate, Sheridan lied to the class and for what? What he gets up to in the sack.Louisefeministahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08279991897445225597noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21995284.post-1160536719195101242006-10-11T04:18:00.000+01:002006-10-11T04:18:00.000+01:00This is an interesting video which features reacti...This is an interesting video which features reaction from some SSP members to Sheridan's case.<BR/><BR/>http://youtube.com/watch?v=lOkVKmV_ELwAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21995284.post-1160536263726354962006-10-11T04:11:00.000+01:002006-10-11T04:11:00.000+01:00What also needs to be understood is that Sheridan ...What also needs to be understood is that Sheridan decided to take the NOTW to court to uphold bourgeois ethics and defend the false image of him as a "family man". None of this was done to defend a socialist principle or to further the Left! <BR/><BR/>There are a myriad of circumstances that might force socialist to go to court and perjure themselves so as to defend themselves against the capitalist legal system (e.g. defending a striker from legal repurcussions resulting from picket line duty, etc). Perjuring oneself to defend the image of Sheridan as a monogamous family is certainly not one of them.<BR/><BR/>Furthermore, Sheridan must have known that recklessly persuing court action against the NOTW would throw the entire SSP into the court battle. His court action meant that many SSP members were forced to testify against their will and in turn Sheridan labeled them as liars.<BR/><BR/>As a socialist I have no love for the NOTW. My only allegiance is to building a broad and democratic socialist movement. Now that the tapes have been released we can clearly see that the majority of the EC was telling the truth and that Sheridan was lying. Sheridan's actions have been destructive to the socialist Left in Scotland. The question I have is why do people like Bustello conjure up all sorts of outlandish and otherworldly explainations to defend him.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21995284.post-1160523677795713272006-10-11T00:41:00.000+01:002006-10-11T00:41:00.000+01:00"perhaps you should let the issue play out a littl..."perhaps you should let the issue play out a little more before issuing condemnation."<BR/><BR/>This kind of looks like saying keep quiet until we know more.<BR/><BR/>Certainly I would expect a degree of circumspection in such a messy situation, but - keep quiet, know more?<BR/><BR/>Kepp quiet? The NoTW, Sheridan, the SSP, maybe the police, maybe the courts, certainly the press won't be keeping quiet, so why should we?<BR/><BR/>Know more? I think we know enough. Unfortunately the cost of free discussion is that thrown into the pot are a large number of opinions and 'facts' that, simply put, are bollocks.<BR/><BR/>Played out - 'played out' by whom? Sheridan, the NoTW, the courts, the SSP et al. Are we part of this, or mere bystanders?<BR/><BR/>Of course, in one significant way this is likely to be 'played out', and that is in the courts.<BR/><BR/>Who put the issue to the courts? Let me guess...........Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21995284.post-1160501443294137772006-10-10T18:30:00.000+01:002006-10-10T18:30:00.000+01:00I think it is poor that a "Socialist Unity" blog i...I think it is poor that a "Socialist Unity" blog is taking one side of a faction fight. One side in this arguement is lying, and there is no conclusive evidence which it is- perhaps you should let the issue play out a little more before issuing condemnation. Hopefully some conclusive evidence will come to light, but this tape is far from it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com